University of Miami data visualization expert Alberto Cairo discusses ‘How Charts Lie’ on podcast

Author: Ted Fox

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With a Side of Knowledge is a podcast produced by the Office of the Provost at the University of Notre Dame. It brings listeners informal interviews with fascinating scholars and professionals from both Notre Dame and elsewhere that take place over brunch.

The sixth episode of the show’s third season, “On ‘How Charts Lie’ and Increasing Graphicacy,” was released Thursday, Oct. 10, and features Alberto Cairo, associate professor and the Knight Chair in Visual Journalism at the University of Miami’s School of Communication.

The former director for infographics and multimedia at Editora Globo, the magazine division of the biggest media group in Brazil, Cairo has been described by Microsoft as having “spent his entire career in the vanguard of visual journalism.” In September, he visited Notre Dame’s online master’s program in data science and delivered a public lecture as part of the College of Science’s John A. Lynch Lecture Series.

Cairo is the author of three books, including How Charts Lie, which will be published by W.W. Norton & Company on Tuesday, Oct. 15. His conversation with host Ted Fox focused on the new book, from the five different categories of lies charts can tell us to why calling the book How Charts Lie is a provocation, an invitation to think about how we read and misread them—not a rejection of their usefulness and importance.

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You can also listen to the episode with Cairo using the player below.